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Hey! I have another question, though this time it's about something a lot bigger than censorship differences.
How would you guys like to start a charity drive with me?

See, [livejournal.com profile] gogoicarus had an awesome outcome with her drive, and I was really inspired by it and decided to try and do something similar to that, where people donate to charity and show proof of it to "commission" artwork and stuff, right? I was originally going to fly solo, but then I got to thinking, and-- well, why not see if other people wanted to join in? We could start a community for it, let anyone who wanted to lend a hand volunteer. And hey, why stop at artwork? People could write, make icons, make videos, play songs, whatever they want. Use their talents for good and all that. They wouldn't have to be MASTERS at what they do, they'd just have to be willing to do it. There's no better time for it, man; the economy's in the pits.

Would you guys be up for it?

Like I said, I don't have all the details worked out or anything (would this be an event or year-round, what would "prices" be and how much would each charitable act be worth, etc), and I don't think this is something I could manage all on my own so I'd need a few people willing to help mod, but. Those are minor. WE CAN WORK IT OUT

Spam this post with ideas, thread-hop, go for it. LET'S MAKE SOME MAGIC GUYS dude what if we do it and it gets all huge and famous that would be so cool

EDIT: [livejournal.com profile] supercharitygo YESSS
EDIT #2: Hey guys, I could really use some co-mods! If anyone's at all willing to help run this, please leave a comment. (As a note, modding pretty much consists of keeping an eye on things to make sure there's no trolling or shadiness or anything, answering questions, and also meeting with other mods from time to time to help make decisions. It's nothing extremely labor-intensive, but you have to be willing to help!)
EDIT #3:

1. Adult Content - Should it be allowed/disallowed for certain mediums (i.e.: disallowed for videos, allowed for art/writing)? Should it be allowed at all? What should the maximum rating be?

2. Runtime - For example, we could start accepting apps all through April to give people plenty of time to get ready and spread the word and all that, then it could start in May, end on June 1st, and volunteers will be given an extra month to finish any remaining requests. This isn't set in stone or anything, it's just to kind of give us a rough draft to work on. What do you think? Is an extra month too long, should it be a week sdjgfk

3. Request Limits - I don't want the volunteers to get swamped, so I was thinking that people could set a maximum amount of requests they'll take at a time. So you could, say, take up to five requests initially, then take another five later on, and so on and so forth. You can change this number around, make it different for each medium, whatever you want.
On that note, the volunteer could reply to their thread with "Closed" or "Open (5)" in the subject line so people can quickly know their status.

4. Reserves - For if someone REALLY WANTS to commission a certain volunteer but is worried about them running out of spaces, I guess. I don't want tons of people squatting or anything, though, so maybe just have it last for a day and not allow them to reserve the same volunteer? Or maybe not allow it for a week or something? Or not allow it at all? idk
*Let volunteers specify whether they want to allow/disallow reservations for their post?
*Only allow people to make one reservation? ([livejournal.com profile] dia_aren_marie)
*Only allow people to make one reservation per week (lasts one day), and not allow them to reserve the same volunteer for the rest of the event?

5. Leftovers - For if someone commissions a volunteer but still has some "cash" left over to commission another one. They would have to link to their previous request post, though, so we know they aren't trying to cheat or anything. This might get tricky to moderate, haha.
*Have a Current Commissions post that keeps track of everything that's going on. Volunteers could notify the mods whenever they get a new commission (be sure to include how much they got), and the mods add that info to the Current Commissions post. ([livejournal.com profile] dia_aren_marie)

6. Value - As in, how much each donation is worth (all currencies are obviously fine, but will be translated to USD to make it easier to measure). Uhhh, let's start with...
Money donation = amount donated
Blood donation = $20
Plasma donation = $25
Charity work = $20 per hour? EVERYTHING IS $20
Donated items = $10 per item
Do these need to be higher/lower? Got any more ideas?

7. Prices - Volunteers can change these around for their posts, but let's debate on some default prices to use as reference:
Art-
Sketch = $5
Lineart = $15
Color = $25
Finished = $35
And maybe +$5 for each extra person and +$5 for a background?
*Only have the "each extra person" thing count when it's more than two people?

Writing-
Drabble = $5
Short story = $15
More?

Icons-
Three icons = $1?

Videos-
Not sure?

Music-
Not sure?

Uhhh, anything else?

8. Have an ~Official AIM Chat~ - Just as a quick way for people to keep each other updated, and also for participants to get to know each other and all that stuff. IT'D BE NICE?

9. Banned Charities - Any skeevy charities we shouldn't support? Why?

10. Random Volunteer - For the donors who don't know who to choose. Volunteers could specify what they want, such as art, and the mods could randomly select a volunteering artist for them to go to. Could also do it by fandom, so donors could just say they want something from Zelda (to steal [livejournal.com profile] oldsneakers' example, har har) and we could randomly select any volunteer to do the job--art, writing, whichever! ([livejournal.com profile] oldsneakers)

MORE AS THINGS COME UP I hope this doesn't sound overly-complex dkjfhg hopefully everything will settle down nicely once it starts

Date: 2009-03-01 11:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bitchbun.livejournal.com
This is exactly what we all need right now! Count me in!

Date: 2009-03-01 11:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doxinator.livejournal.com
YESSSS THAT'S THE SPIRIT

I'M ALREADY THINKING OF NAMES what about like ~Talent for Charity~ or something
or is that lame

Date: 2009-03-01 11:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] funkicarus.livejournal.com
IM IN FOR SURE

BUT THATS KIND OF A GIVEN

Date: 2009-03-01 11:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doxinator.livejournal.com
YEAHHHH HIGH FIVE

Maybe we could run this during the summer so we can cover both hemispheres :B

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Date: 2009-03-01 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peachifruit.livejournal.com
This sounds like an AWESOME IDEA and I'd totally love to participate!

Date: 2009-03-01 11:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doxinator.livejournal.com
GLAD TO HAVE YOU ON THE TEAM, MAN

THIS IS GONNA BE AWESOME

Date: 2009-03-01 11:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tigerboat.livejournal.com
already talked to you about this on IM but COUNT ME IN, MAN

Date: 2009-03-01 11:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doxinator.livejournal.com
WHOOOOOOP TIGERRRRRR

ARE YOU READY TO GET DOWN WITH YOUR BENEVOLENT SELF

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Date: 2009-03-01 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doxinator.livejournal.com
WOOOO

okay okay we should probably stop partying and do some actual planning now HAHAHA i'm not really sure how to actually run this thing.
I hope everyone is still checking this post and didn't just run off or anything

ANYWAY dudes what should we do for prices. I was thinking we could have "levels," like, the amount someone donates will determine what they get (lineart, color, x amount of words, etc). Should we have fixed prices for everything? Or maybe we could have a standard price list as a sort of guideline, but people could also choose to make their own prices as long as we approve it? Like, say, the standard price for a video is $20, but someone could do something silly like RAISE $100 FOR ME AND I'LL DO A DANCE GUYS and that'd be fine. Or if someone is self-conscious/doesn't plan on doing much and wants to lower their prices, then they could do that.
... or would that get too confusing

Date: 2009-03-01 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oldsneakers.livejournal.com
awwww shiiiiit i'm in |Db I WRITE THINGS. ...REALLY!

Gonna pimp this motherfucker on my side, too. *3*

Date: 2009-03-01 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doxinator.livejournal.com
FUCK YEAHHHH

I HOPE IT WILL GET LOTS OF PIMPING FROM EVERYONE ONCE IT'S COMPLETE

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Date: 2009-03-01 08:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaimonster.livejournal.com
I could CAN Help!
Im up for charity, I like to help!

Date: 2009-03-01 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doxinator.livejournal.com
AWESOOOOME

I'll make an official volunteer post in the comm as soon as we get things a little more organized, ahaha 8> SO MANY DECISIONS

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Date: 2009-03-01 11:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyrrhocorax.livejournal.com
I SUPPORT THIS MOVEMENT

Date: 2009-03-02 12:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doxinator.livejournal.com
I HAVE HIGH HOPES FOR THIS DRIVE

Date: 2009-03-02 02:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dia-aren-marie.livejournal.com
CHARITY CHARITY COUNT ME IN I never did get around to getting those toys donated for Icarus' arghhhhhhh I need to make up for it.

Let's see...

Prices: I think it can be useful to have a sort of "standard" price list, like on the profile or info or something, to show firsthand how much something usually costs. People can set their prices around those I guess, since some people do put in more hours than others?

ORRRR we could do something like a "standard" commission in that people put in the same hours in it (equal I suppose?) and it's all the same price, but on the side they can also have their usual commission prices if people want to go for something of that quality instead.

Not that our usual is BLEHHH or anything, dang no dawg, but just giving people choices, and so everyone can contribute what they can handle according to how busy they are in whatever time of the year, maybe?

Catalog: I'd say keep all the posts in the comm itself to keep people from getting lost (especially people who might stumble upon the comm outside of LJ XD).

The app/form thing can work to keep things uniform (and less confusing!)

Mmm I was thinking a big-ass post with everyone's info but maybe a comment thread would be better. How about something like:

* letter that the contributor's username starts with (i.e. D)
- person's app (i.e. dia-aren-marie) plus what they can do in the subject title?
-- people reply to that to commission them? (maybe put in the subject title what they want, or is that too OCD?)

laskjdlkasjd like maybe

D:
Usernames that start with D go here.
--dia-aren-marie: Art, Writing, Icons
Hi have my app!
----Commission for: Art
lol hi
--doxinator: Art AND EVERYTHING BB
wat
-----Commission for: EVERYTHING!!11
hi too

OR WAIT we could just, post as usual, and someone can just keep a link list to each thread for anyone who's looking for something in particular? askldjaslkdj INDECISIVE + INDECISIVE like:

Masterlist:

D
Dia (Art, Writing, etc.)
Dox (Art)

and they're all linked to their specific threads with their app?

Random: Also define "summer" for me please, because our vacation over here is in like, March. :o I think it's August over there?

PHOENIX WRIGHT THINKING ICONS

A-and I'd love to help co-mod except I'm still kind of an uke when asserting myself in situations that need asserting sob. B-but I could help with organizing info (I'm messy IRL BUT I'M OCD ABOUT ONLINE STUFF) and whatnot!

i bet this is a wall of text by now.

Date: 2009-03-02 03:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doxinator.livejournal.com
DUDE YES THIS IS AWESOME

Yeah, I was kind of thinking the same. Like, the "official list" of prices is more of a default to go to rather than THE LAW or anything, and people can tweak things around however they'd like as long as it's reasonable and not so high that it'd discourage people from commissioning them at all and everything.
I didn't think of hours, though :Oa Maybe we could ask that on the app so we know if their prices are fair? I'm not sure.

Either of those would work well, I think! I'm kind of leaning towards something like the second one, though maybe instead of having it organized alphabetically it could be by category? Though the thing about that is that you'd have the same usernames popping up in several categories if people wanted to do different things, which could get a little confusing.

I was also thinking of making separate posts for each category, so that way you could have category-specific forms and rules on that post, but I dunno. I don't know how big this is going to get, so something like that might be overkill, hahaha

DUDE YOU CAN DEFINITELY CO-MOD
We can use all the help we can get, and I'm really liking all of your suggestions! :D And you don't have to do all of the dirty work dkfgjha you could just like... help with organizing, like you said, and also help with watching over things and report suspect stuff to me (or Tiger?) so we can look into it and stuff like that. I'm really hoping there won't be many people awful enough to do sleazy things on a non-profit, volunteer-only charity drive though akfgjh partially because I'm kind of a wuss myself

/uses Phoenix Wright thinking icon

Date: 2009-03-02 03:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doxinator.livejournal.com
OH YEAH and summer vacation for America tends to be either June-September or May-August, I believe. We should open the comm a month beforehand, though, so people can get their apps in.

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WHOOP WHOOP

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Date: 2009-03-06 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
OKAY HAVEN'T BEEN HERE IN A LITTLE WHILE let's see

I think the prices for the art and stuff so far is pretty fair, though I've never taken commissions for writing. As for the music and video ones, I wonder if we can get volunteers who are familiar enough to give a fair price? :o

And yes, I think 3 icons for a dollar is fair enough!

I believe a reserve that lasts for a day is okay, but they shouldn't be allowed to keep doing it? Or maybe they can only do it once, to discourage people who might not push through? (Not that I'm saying anything about them alskdjalskj REAL LIFE IS HARD, it's just as difficult to keep people hanging!)

As for the whole "LEFTOVERS" thing-- maybe we could keep a list of Current Commissions for handy reference? As in ones that are officially in progress maybe. Like just compiling what the commissioners order (linked to their orders?) so we can check in one handy spot of how much they're spending in relation to their donation instead of jumping from one thread to another looking for the previous orders. (Hahaha this is starting to sound like a "YOUR BALANCE IS CURRENTLY" thing.)

I think all the artist would have to do is notify a mod that they got a commish of this value from this person, or just comment on the post, and whoever's in charge can update the post-thing-directory-sorta itself. I can do it if this sounds plausible. Not too sure if what I'm saying makes sense though and I'm kinda really lightheaded ATM so whoooooo

Date: 2009-03-08 03:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doxinator.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'm not really sure what to do for music and videos since I don't really know what goes into making them, haha. NEED ADVICE
I'll have to replug this entry in... whatever my next journal entry is since I think everyone aside from you and [livejournal.com profile] oldsneakers kinda wandered off, ahahaha

Yeah, I think we should have some form of it, but we can't have people abusing it or anything. Letting people only do it once is good... or maybe once they make one, then they can't make another for the rest of the week AND they can't reserve the same person again? Maybe we could even let volunteers allow/disallow reservations in their request thread?

YEAHHH that works! And if having the volunteers PM/comment with their current commissions sounds like too much trouble, then I guess all the mods could install this (http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/2494) script that shows new comments? And either way that's just a good script to have in general seriously it's so handy
It seems like it'd be a lot for one person to keep track of, though :O Can mods all edit the same post? Maybe we should make a mod account we all share or something, like what [livejournal.com profile] roleplaysecrets does.

I need to stop saying "yeah"

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Date: 2009-03-06 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dia-aren-marie.livejournal.com
oh what the FUDGE LJ way to log me out randomly!

Date: 2009-03-09 03:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shinypidgey.livejournal.com
:D Count me in! This sounds like fun!
Uuuuuuuuh... If you don't get enough mods, I could also help out? I guess?

Date: 2009-03-09 08:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doxinator.livejournal.com
Awesome!

I'll keep you in mind! I'm hoping three will be enough for now, though. This is gonna get huge, isn't it

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Date: 2009-03-15 10:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bitchbun.livejournal.com
1. Adult Content - it depends on what you mean by that. I wouldn't neccessarily allow porn, but nudity and swearing seems alright by me.
2. I like that idea! Gives a lot of breathing room to create.
3. I like this, as well.
4. Letting volunteers allow or disallow reservations sounds fine to me.
5. ajkjdj it is late i can't think any more >:( i should do this in the morning

I WOULD LIKE TO help as much as possible though

Date: 2009-03-15 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doxinator.livejournal.com
1. I-I'm kind of confused, too, to be honest. I mean, yeah, swearing/nudity would be fine, some ~naughtiness~ would be fine, but I'm not really sure where to set the bar. Maybe it's fine to imply sex as long as there's no genitals? Genitals are okay as long as it's tasteful and not porn? And then it almost seems like it varies between mediums adkfjgha like writing porn isn't a big deal but having it in videos would be kind of... uhhhhhh. BUT THEN it doesn't really seem fair to allow it for one group and ban it from another. So... idk. I'm kind of leaning towards just saying everything has to be PG-13/maybe pushing R :T

BUT BLAHBLABHB I'm rambling. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!

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